PLingFollow

FYI, even though my post is shifting topic I decided it would be beneficial in the long run anyhow. each time someone posts the thread gets bumped ^^

anyhow, I wished to say that I don't think this thread/request breaks any rules I've heard of. I do think that PLing is a bad thing though. Ultimately your skills take a huge hit from being pl'd. For instance, if you're lvling ninja and being pl'd; why actually blink tank? the PL'er has the mp. So why waste your ninja tools? the simple answer is because it raises your ninjitsu. Yet people don't like to throw away gil for nothing so the result is your ninjitsu skill suffers. Any job is the same way. There is some skill that gets shelved when someone is pling you.

I realize this few isn't popular but I wanted to point out the flaws for pling on a public forum. Even though everyone's mother and brother wants to get pl'd for whatever reason.

Yeah, all I wanted was 20-25. I am a WHM, and I really wanted to get Raise again. Yes, again. I had a lvl 38 WHM before, but I thought I was done with the game and quit. My old WHM expired, and now I am rebuilding lol. I really like having Raise, and not as a way to make money (there are a lot better ways to make gil), but to help ppl. That is why I play these games. So, if someone out there can help me, please post an offer here (I know it will be a lot per hour) or send me a PM. Thanks!

if you are getting a PL here's a little advice, you don't have to take it i'm just lettin you know. The exp is faster if you have a full party with a PLer. You should try to get mostly damage dealers too, that way you will kill the mob quickly and since the PLer will keep everyone alive no need for healers in your party really, maybe one just in case. I don't think PLing is wrong, I just think that if you don't have a job to at least lvl 30 you shouldn't be PLed. There are some people that start the game and have a friend or relative PL them to lvl 30 or higher and they have no clue about party dynamics. They are the "noobs" that you see at higher lvls.

Powerleveling is for those too lazy to level up the proper way.

I won't accept a powerlevel, even from my LS, and I won't powerlevel others.

If you are soley powerleveled, how else will you learn how to party....

This is SO true... I got PLed from 1-8 (it's fun having a WHM stalker ^_^;;) And my healing magic sucked until recently, when i just went aroudn healing everyoen i saw that coudl have used it. I don't See PLing as a bad thing though, say you're at level 16, and you get tagteamed by a bogy and a ghoul (bad luck of course, not picking a fight), someone comes and raises you without getting rid fo the bogy first, and the instant you're on your feet, the bogy slags you again. so now you're down 760 xp from where you were. Say it happens again until to Lvl down to 15 again. in this instance i can see having someone PL you back to 16. you've got gear and spells fo rthat level, but because you Dlvled you can't use them.

In that way, i see PLing as okay. But yes, someone who gets excessifely PLed will never grasp party dynamics, resulting in the "I attack NOWZ!" people. ^_^;

I agree with this as well.


... "I attack n0wZ!" /poke Lumbering Lambert DX

I find PLing extremely bad for anyone, and pretty distasteful to boot. So distasteful that I refuse to get one personally or be in a party that brings one in. I simply disband and go seek again. I actually rate it only slightly better than people that support that farce of a business in gil selling.

Unfortunatley, both of these problems exist, and lazy people will use these "services" with the shallow excuses of "I don't have the time to level" or "I don't ever get enough gil playing". I accept that they exist and won't go away, but refuse to support either of them as an acceptable use of the game. If you don't have the time to work on your own character, find a game that doesn't take up so much of your precious time.

Several good points have been raised by posts earlier in this thread, and I'll admit that a few of the people supporting Power Leveling have valid claims to use it. However, I'll support or deny these cases as they come up. There's more at stake than a few quick levels for an impatient player.

1) Skills suffer - Damn right they do. All the skills you use in the game only improve if you use them a lot. And don't pull the 'but I sat outside my Mog House and leveled my skill for 2 hours' routine. Whm's Holy magic skill won't get a tenth of a point from that, and Blm's are SOL unless they're casting on something that'll take damage. It's also pretty hard to do a skillchain when your 2 Wars only know Fast Blade and Hard Slash. Keep this one in mind too: Enhancing and Curing magic tend to get faster skillups when being cast on someone who actually needs it.

2) It's okay, I'm getting PowerLeveled past the problem levels -
No, you're encouraging people to not learn the dynamics of forming and supporting a party. I've very rarely seen a personal Power Level in progress, it's usually done by a hi-lev on top of a party that's already been formed. In fact, I've seen several people in the Dunes shouting at the top of their lungs for invites because they bring a powerleveler with them.

3) No harm, No foul - BS. As in the example directly above, the person bringing in the PLer may or may not be within shout range of the party that brings him aboard. The party leader may also just want a PL as well, and ignore the fact that any of the members of the party want to LEARN how to play their jobs instead of being spoonfed experience. Hell, FFXI is a global game, the party members may not speak English! {gasp} This is especially crucial at early levels, where limited ability, spells, hitpoints, and skills need to be worked with so that the players learn the limits and strengths of each of them. Not letting the tank die for using Berserk (Attack up, DEFENSE DOWN) because he just got a shiney new job ability means he'll keep doing it even further on in his career as that class. It also forces you to use Teamwork to set up chains of difficult enemies, not just Toughs, instead of dying for going {Full Attack!} all the time because the WAR gets it into his head that only IT++ mobs are worth killing.

This general lack of player experience and research reflects poorly on Americans as a whole, causing a bit of a split between us and the rest of the world. In fact, there are plenty of players who {do not speak any English} who can understand most of what's being said around them, and cringe when the party around them calls in a DRK or DRG to be main tank. Have any of you been to Yahoator Jungle during American off-hours? About 7-11AM EST? The Kazham zone is clear. I've never seen a JP party zone a Mandy or Gob because they bit off more than they could chew. They work out a procedure and get organized into a clean leveling unit that regularly gets chain #5's. Granted, in Japanese cluture teamwork is ingrained, but they all pretty much brought their characters up from scratch without any tricks.

Some of you may accuse me of giving/recieving a PL myself. Okay, you've got me. I've given a power level to a friend on a rare occasion. Let me reiterate: a friend. He or she had proven to me on several occasions that they were competent and knowlegable, had been through Yuhtunga and realized that having 3 mages and 1 'voker made dead parties. I also only popped them up level to get their next set of armor/weapons equipped. The most important fact is that I didn't get paid gil bought from IGN to do it.

Now recieving one, I've only technically done so with my second character, and that was mostly ******** around. It had started with just a pair of low levels kicking orcs around in Ft. Ghelshba, until my partner's fiancee showed up to chat and show off his summons. With that setup, I figured 'what the hell', knowing that if I could hit a higher level mob, I'd get better skillups. So, I went on {Full Suicide} and attacked anything that looked at me funny. Kudos to Tillis and Niekolaas for keeping up with a suicidal elvaan(YARR!!). Even though we ended up with only a level and a half from our run through the place, I got my Great Axe skill from single digits up to the low 40's in a short period of time.

As PLing does NOT break any rules in the TOS, or is mentioned in any way, the whole issue is one of opinion. Granted, this rant of mine's a bit lenghty, but what I've seen is that only huge posts on Alla get any kind of attention at all, and that you've all probably rated this post before you've even read down to this point.

Perhaps I shouldn't post when I'm tired and frustrated after proving that Mithra make better Tenshodo airship courriers with Tillis 3x over. Vents of your true opinion usually get shot down anyhow.

is it safe to say im the only person on shiva who thinks pls are boring, dull, and show a lack of skill? i mean really, not to put anyone down... but i hate when people invite me, the say, oh, we have a plvler... i like to earn it, its fun, its a challange, and takes more skill. you dont worry about links, aggro, low mp, down time... maybe that is what everyone wants, but to me the whole fun of the game is the challange, and the continued challange all the way through.
plvlers and everyone begging for it are kinda takin the fun out of it for me... sure its easy xp... but i get bored with it really fast... its just not fun...
thats me anyway, im sure no one else agrees...

i don't usually pl ppl, but i'm currently very poor and would be open to making some gil by pl'ing ppl. my whm is 47 so i am comfortable with pl'ing ppl in the 1-25 range with the exception of ppl under rank 2-3(dragon mission). i don't want to create high lvl noobs(as i may get stuck with one as one of the many jobs i play). i can easily make 10-15k per hour farming so my fees will be 8k/hour lvl 10-15, 10k/hour lvl 15-20, and 15k/hour through the qufim lvls(exceptions and bargains are up for discussion). plz send me a message, my in game name is Daikishii.