Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Because you don't have the correct frame of reference. I just explained in the post you just quoted how the development and design of the entire metropolitan region in San Diego county is different than those which were large cities prior to the use of automobiles. San Diego was designed with car traffic in mind. Other cities had to adapt their existing design to try to deal with car traffic.
I didn't say "city", I said "suburbs".
And I said "city". Because my point was specifically how a well designed highway system makes it easier/faster for people living in a
city to travel outside just their local neighborhoods and to other areas of the
city. What part of "traveling from one suburb to another" did you fail to get 3 posts ago when I said it?
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You don't think that suburbs were explicitly designed around automobile traffic? Huh. It's funny that you get all miffed about "San Diego is unique" while desperately trying to pretend that it's any different from a thousand suburbs laid out in the last half century.
I honestly have no clue what point you're trying to make here. You're certainly not addressing any point that I have made, so... random blather I guess?
San Diego is not a single suburb. You don't normally use a freeway to travel from one part of a suburb to another. So either you're totally confused about what a suburb is, or you're just spouting random stuff and hoping no one notices that it makes no sense. I'm speaking of the entire city highway and freeway design, not just surface streets within a given neighborhood.
To be fair, you apparently aren't the only one confused given the comment above somehow equating the grid pattern of the street layout in Manhattan to the grid pattern of the freeway system I was speaking of in San Diego. There's a pretty significant scale difference there. It's almost like you guys are intentionally misunderstanding the issue. But that's just crazy talk, right?
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Versus always being able to get it within the same hour by driving to a store? Way to sell it Joph!
Without leaving the house?
What are you? A shut in? Some of us like to leave the house and go places. You get that you're basically supporting my earlier point about mass transit city designs creating a more provincial lifestyle for it's citizens. "I have everything I need within walking distance. And if I need to go elsewhere on occasion, I'll just take the transit system. And if I need to buy something that isn't at a store within walking distance, I'll just order it online". Um... So you only see things close to you, and a small number of things far away, and nothing in-between? Yup. That's provincial.
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Well... uhhh... yeah. Weren't you just whining about how long a subway ride would take or whatever?
Spending an hour or more to get somewhere that I can't easily actually do anything other than merely visit (ie: I'm not taking the subway across town to buy groceries, right?), is radically different than spending 15-20 minutes driving somewhere where you can actually buy stuff and take it home easily. You know. Actually interact with a broader part of the environment around you? You honestly don't get why this is useful? That's kinda sad. Like a blind man who's never seen light and just don't understand what it's like to see.
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But you'll spend time in the car driving around and I'll spend time on my *** doing whatever I want and we'll both have our product. So, go you, you freedom warrior
Um.... You're failing to realize that I actually enjoy driving. You know why? Because I'm in control of where I"m going at all times and I live in a city where driving is not a chore you have to endure to get places. If I decide I want to travel down that road over there to see where it goes, I can. Right then. Because it's fun. Again, this is that whole issue of "want" versus "need". I should not have to spend extra effort doing something I just decided to do on a whim. With mass transit, you tend to only travel to places you need to go, and plan out your trip. With a car? I can go anywhere I want, any time I want. Just because I feel like it.
So yeah, there is quite a bit of freedom involved too. And you know what the great thing about roads are? It does not require some union organization to operate it for me in order for me to get places. It's just a road. Barring it falling apart to the point where it's no longer usable, it requires no action by anyone else for me to travel on it. Power out? I can still drive. Transit union on strike? Doesn't affect me one bit. So there is that as well.