Allakhazam Poll: My group just wiped out..Follow

Assuming it was a guild group, it is "I don't care, I am enjoying myself."

Our guild groups tend to do stupid things just because they seem amusing at the time.

We have no skilled pullers. The very idea is foriegn to us. If you didn't bring back at least 5, you weren't trying hard enough.

On the plus side, my cleric and my enchanter are REALLY good at pulling things out of the crapper in regular, non guild groups, now.

I take my sit button out when raiding and I can assure you I was not sitting.

I started attacking with my rogue when engage was called. However how long would you have me wait after engage is called to start attacking?

At least we aggree on 1 :P

I love your last statement Nanelwen. If you're going to trash people on grammar, please double check your own grammar.

Edited, Tue Jul 5 00:32:15 2005 by nohart

You forgot to add "Pulling when casters and healers are LOM/OOM" ;)

I have a 61 cleric, and you have no idea how many times I've had people pull after I've said I'm LoM, then wonder why the group just wiped. I admit, I have a pretty slow mana regen rate, but even at 30-40% mana I'm perfectly fine with the pull and any adds we get.

This past weekend I was in CoDecay, and this mage just got on my last nerve. He continualy pulled when I was at 10%m, and not just single pulls, he usually brought back 2+ mobs. Had no idea how to play his class, but kept telling everyone else how to play theirs. I've gotten to 61 without having a problem, I think I would know my class quite well by now! Anyway, group wiped at least 3 times, and he died at least 6 because he buggered up somewhere.

Also, I agree with the people who said it was everyone's job to help the main tank keep aggro. I know whenever I get aggro, or one of the casters in group do, I cast root on the mob, and any other adds so the enc has a chance to mez them. Has saved quite a few lives, always have that and Divine Barrier loaded (has saved my **** numerous times ;)



Edited, Tue Jul 5 03:47:33 2005 by Nalf

When I get killed in a group it is always because of two reasons:

1) The Cleric is waiting until the last possible second to to a CH in order to conserve mana, instrad of healing when they are suppose to.

2) My group gets Trained by some other idiot/group. This has happened SO MANY times to me in PoI that I refuse to go there unless I'm grouping with peeps that I've played with before and who all know to keep a look out for this crap.


I need to join a guild. Pick-up groups are faster to form up (sad as that is) but the reliability and professionalism is much better with a guild (in theory).

BTW......dieing is part of the game. I don't get mad when I die, but I do get stressed out when I die for nothing.

[quote=Fjalarr
Who is your EBAY agent? You need to try on a new game.
Warriors can Aggro an army and take no damage while you try to mez 10 or 20. I know you would rather tuck your head between your legs, but not everyone understands fast/furious. Necros make better CC than chanters imo, usually chanters have no guts.

Master Of Puppets(WaRRi0R)[/quote]

OMG grow up and learn the limits of your WaRRiOR, you are making a fool out of yourself. Sure with ae taunt, you can ATTEMPT to agro an army, but the taunt range is small and even if it was large its still TAUNT, Taunt alone will not prevent the mobs that are not engaged from swarming the cleric after CH is cast. Maybe you have the mitigation and gear to tank an entire ARMY with just hots for heals, but I doubt it. your comments tell me 2 things, you have yet to figure out how to play your chosen class well(this includes learning its limitations) and you have no idea what the limits of other classes are. Dru and rng can do excellent CC, provided there isnt to big a train, but nothing is better than a chanter for CC, in guild groups, the tank will often pull trains when grouped with me purposely so I can line them up all slowed and ready to be pick off one at a time. Sometimes we will take 2 or 3 groups to old seb, we set up a chat chat chanel so we can get group exp and I will CC for every one as the puller pulls as many jugs as he can, this is an excellent way to farm spells there and very fun.
BTW, if you want to try fast and furiuos exp, get a nice exp group together in BoT or WoS, let the pali tank ( they have crappy dps anyway) and put the WaRRiOR behind the mob so it wont parry/riposte/dodge/etc and watch your dps go way up. OMG I think i just uttered a herresy, but I have MTed WoS with my pali and a shammy MH with mostly gear I made myself.

Unfortunately the common practice is for people to bolt. No matter whose fault, MY FEELING is you should stick around to make sure everyone gets their bod/stuff back. With the new summoners in the Guild Lobby, people are now more inclined to just say 'to heck with these people' and bug out without a word. This is really deplorable behavior. If you can hang around for a split, you can hang around for a CR.

You may think they are blithering fools, but you should at least make an effort to help the group get back to square one.

This thread has become a free-for-all, so..



How many times do we need to tell people this? I'm so sick of F#$@tards bragging about being able to take aggro froma warrior. Once and for all, ANY CLASS CAN TAKE AGGRO FROM A TANK. Bragging that you can do it just singles you out for the simple minded crack baby that you obviously are.

Edited, Tue Jul 5 14:11:11 2005 by Gladestrider

Worst wipe I've ever had was in ToV. We had just wiped out the first hall (as soon as you enter). Raid leader told us to head to another room, but HUG the right wall. Last person to go through door went straight and pulled bout half the zone. A BST, Rogue, and myself survived due to my succor.

What makes it worst is the fact that most of us got killed on the way to ToV and right inside.

Worst wipe, but I loved every minute of it.

P.S. In case your wondering, I died about 5 times on that little adventure, but I think that it's due to bad CoV faction and being bound right outside the temple.

No. It's not "common sense". Certainly, you shouldn't do anything at a *rate* faster then what you'd do in a group. However, when on a raid, the MT calls for engage. When he does that, it's assumed that he has generated sufficient agro that no single attack/spell should pull that agro off of him.

If you then run in and get agro on a single backstab, then the MT called for engage too early. It's really that simple. Call for engage on a raid is 100% the responsibility of the MT. Unfortunately, there has been a growing number of "new school" tanks, who've grown up with the "engage instantly" mentality that's become common in grouping today, and which will get raids wiped. They do eventually learn, but it takes a bit.

or more likely dunno just woke up and everyones dead