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#52 Oct 06 2004 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for your math skills! I would STILL have to say, HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE REALLY GIL SELLERS?! You have no proof other than they make lots of money. I don't see a problem with making money... if you have goldsmithing at high lvls you be spending millions. I think I've heard reports of it taking as much as 100 mil to get lvl 100 goldsmithing. I like how you lump together how much money they make TOGETHER, like they are either cutting into their gil profits (or their money profits if they are gil sellers.) The main reason I posted was to quell these "OMGZ!!! ITS TEH GIL SELZ0RZ" posts. Really, if you get beaten by a bot, what if a half way decent camper came by (spams for spawns, even over 30 minute periods)? I can make crazy assumptions too, like you don't whine and cry all day that someone, somewhere, may be cheating. So if there is a 1% chance you must, must, must destroy them. Look above as to why gil sellers have no real effect on the market. MPKing is the only one that does, and if you don't call a GM for that, well, you stupid.
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I calculated it, and the fish bots in Port Windurst alone decrease gil's value by %37.2 each year. So if you had 1 million gil itd be worth 630,000 the next year. Its kinda hard to explain if you dont understand advanced economics, but this is actually one of the real reasons the US Dollar is tanking and our economy is not doing so well.

Still waiting on how you did this, making up lies ruins you ability to look real. Its in The complete Morons Handbook to Convincing the Masses 101 by G. W. Bush. PG 256, remember? Anyone can lie through their teeth; your doing it right now. Its not right to persecute people for things you dont know are true, similar to lynching, correct?
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Coincidentally I had a dream where the real life Waitmagic and/or Saitaiyang died because he lost his job because of me and no longer could by rice to feed his family (in china). No lie.

Wow, man, you WOULD lynch someone for no reason, eh? I'm gonna lynch your post for it being retarded.
#53 Oct 06 2004 at 7:44 PM Rating: Default
Well im going to lynch your mom for not going the distance.
#54 Oct 06 2004 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Well im going to lynch your mom for not going the distance.

I'm not here to argue with you. I'm here to get a real statement out of Sep as to what I actually wrote, not some cracked up conspiracy theory formula that allows him to see all the gil in circulation, or some other bs.

Lynching ain't a joke bud. Its a horrible, horrible thing.

Edited, Thu Oct 7 00:47:03 2004 by BurningJ
#55REDACTED, Posted: Oct 07 2004 at 5:36 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Those bots pull in 20k-gil an hour. Theres usually 100-110 people in Port Windurst. 90 of them are anon lu shang mog masters that have been fishing there 24/7 since before you were playing. 90 people at 20k an hour is 1,800,000 PER HOUR that theyre putting into the game since they sell to NPC. at 1,800,000/hr thats 43,200,000/day and 15,768,000,000/yr Yes, billions. Its not propaganda its mathematics *******. At $219.99 per 2 million gil (IGEs going rate) thats 7884 sets of $219.99 thats 1.7 MILLION AMERICAN DOLLARS that comes out of Port Windurst bot transactions per year.
#56 Oct 23 2004 at 7:11 AM Rating: Decent
wow. u people rilly look into this stuff.. i just like to play the game to have fun. not make mathimatical equations and ***** about some whm that helps people by giving them free teleports to where they got to go. i cant wait till i get my whm that lvl. i will give many free teleports in my lifetime
#57 Oct 23 2004 at 11:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Yikes! people, listen: it's inflation, pure and simple. no matter what you do there will always be more gil coming into the game. if people buy their gear from NPC isntead of the AH, however, it's possible (though VERY hard) to counter the influx of large sums of gil.

and c'mon folks: it's a game. so the price of your next sword or staff goes up 2 over the course of a week, that just means you have to farm faster, no big deal, right? and if you don't liek the way prices keep goign up because of fishing bots bringing in more gil than normal, then there's a very simple solution:

don't play.

got a problem with people (who may/may not be bots) charging 500 gil for a tele?? get your WHM lvl to where you cna do the Teles yourself and offer them for less, or for free. *shrug*

it's supply and demand: people want it, and there are those that offer it. if you make a better deal on it than the other guy and keep doing it, then other guy will have to cut his/her prices to bring back business.

When i buy from the AH, i do what i can to buy at the lowest price i can find. the more people we have selling at lower prices, the better off the economy will be because even though there's mass amounts of gil floating around, it just means that and sort of gear will be available to those who need it.

(that's an idealistic setting, i know, but it's a lot nicer than beign forced to put yoursefl in the poorhouse when you hit your next gear upgrade)

I mean c'mon... look at the offline FF games. Potions went for what: 50-100 gil? and on FFXI the average potion price (NPC) is 900+?? wouldn't it be nice if we could all buy potions at a whim??

anyway, my point is this: if you don't liek it, get to gether with your buddies and CHANGE IT! the game's supposed to be about community, not who can ***** the other guy over the worst.
#58 Oct 28 2004 at 2:11 PM Rating: Good
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There are no IGE employees. They don't have a JP sweat shop where they whip 12 year old kids and make them farm and fish on an array of 16x16 PS2's and monitors all day long. No matter how glorious as that may seem.

PornFreak kills a NM and gets a 5 mil gil pair of Strider boots on the lot and everyone aggrees that lot winner gets the item. His LS buddies [Congatulations!] him and he bows. The boots sell in 2.5 seconds in Jueno. He now has 5 mil gil. He buys everything he ever wanted and now has 3 mil gil left.

PornFreak goes to IGE and they pay him $60/million gil. He sends his 3 mil gil to the Shiva character named TinyPot and gets $180.00 in his PayPal account. He goes out and buys a playboy magazine and a tube of lube. PornFreak is now happy.

SomeRichGuy goes to IGE and buys 1 mil gil for $130.00. He then buys a sniper ring and a hairpin and although poor again, he is happy! IGE just made $70.00 USD. IGE is happy.

SlowAndDumb without Flee is pissed becasue he showed up on the screen only to see the Emporer was already claimed. SlowAndDumb is not happy (and quite rightfully so).

Moral of the story boys and girls is that IGE is no sweat shop. They are only hated because they make the NM rare(er) and because they make more money in a day than most people see in a month.

DISCLAIMER:
I don't buy or sell Gil.
I don't work for IGE.
I don't own IGE.
IGE is not a publicly traded company, therefore I do not own IGE stock.
I really do pitty SlowAndDumb.
This story was provided for comic relief in a tense thread. Rate up for my sense of humor!
#59 Oct 28 2004 at 11:41 PM Rating: Decent
Edited, Fri Oct 29 00:49:13 2004 by Dankeschoene

Edited, Thu Mar 16 10:29:37 2006 by Dankeschoene
#60 Oct 28 2004 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent


Edited, Thu Mar 16 10:31:07 2006 by Dankeschoene
#61 Oct 29 2004 at 4:13 AM Rating: Decent
Somebody isn't a happy taru. BE HAPPY! As for your free teles, your ruining it for other people, you idiot. Do you ever think of anybody but yourself? I'm normally a nice person, but you p1ss me off.
Although I've decided to be a monk, I still have a 42whm, in which I have offered a taxi service. I've done it for several hours during weekends, and all I can say is, if you plan on doing it, you'll be blisted by me, as well as any other whm who tries to make a few gil. Why? 'Cause nobody will pay 500-1k instead of a free ride. So then those whms will tell their friends, and those friends will tell other friends. You'll ruin a decent business and source of income for many people, just to satisfy your own desires. If you don't like Waitmagic or Saitaiyang, that's your problem, not everybody elses.
These aren't the gilsellers you should be concerned about, the ones who camp NM's, then sell the drops at raised prices. Pretty soon we'll practically have to buy fake money with real money just to get our hands on one fake item. Those are the ones we need to worry about. Wait and Sait are easily defeated, just don't use their services. It's alot harder to stop NM campers.
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