A public service message: Amemet drops and gil sellers...Follow

Were they reported by any chance for MPK'ing another party? What do the GM's normally do in these circumstances?

Well that's all well and good that the whole I dunno... possibly 100 people that go here will maybe do this. But there are plenty of people that don't care or don't read this forum so even if we do this it will be pretty much completely useless and do nothing to the gil sellers.

Just FYI, most of the gilsellers have been leveling past 50.. they've figured out ways to get past G1, and even G2 sadly.

Infact, Hpc&friends have FULL af. Hpc even has nice luxeries such as, dark staff. :P

Another fyi; Hpc&Friends include: Hpc, Logitech, Zhuque, Smalltail, Qinlong, Xuanwu.

Smalltail is now camping Oztroja coffer keys. They're smarter than you think.

proudly i say my pt MPK'd the Ls's. Sure they were just xping...but they still deserved it ;)

actually some of these gilsellers are lvl 58-61 now all wit bastok rank 2. i kno this because sadly they were in my LS for a short while until we found out they were gilsellers.

mpk >.> cozma quote >.> see sig >.>

yeah... those gil sellers ended up mpking most of cozmas pt before heh.

anyway, according to what one of my friends said,,, he got a frieking automated message from the GMs when he reported it.

Edited, Tue Oct 12 19:36:40 2004 by Deadgye

MPK = ?

They MPK and /help over amemet all the time(mpk who claims after help wears)

Siya and friends were MPK'd by them, Siya called GM and reported htem.....Smalltail even /say MPK MPK..../sea all Smalltail >.> I don't understand how GMs can be THAT useless.....

Anyway, MPK the hell out of all gilsellers, they won't report, they can't. They're Chinese with bad english/japanese skills....GMs only know eng/jp. If you DO get in trouble for it, site all those sources, find them on FFXIonline.com, post the logs and stuff here of your interaction, we'll all complain to GMs about it in unison, they'll get the message, I hope >.>

I actually had a moral debate on the subject of gil selling, and there didn't seem to be enoguh reason why gil sellers are evil, other than the fact people don't like it. The only evil comes from constant NM camping, but the reality, and the view SE takes, you too can camp a NM night and day for whatever reason. This is obviously anoying. And if anyone is trying to force a death to competitor campers, this is in violation of the user agreement.

If you want to say gil selling is wrong, I would like to hear some good reasons, other than you dont like it. I agree fully being an *** with NMs IS wrong and should NOT be done. But gil selling and NMs are two different things.

I am not arguing for gil selling, I just would like to hear some legit reasons why it is so wrong, because so far i have not heard any.

Edited, Wed Oct 13 01:22:20 2004 by HeavenlyFather

Well Kurai I understand where you are comming from. The people constantly hunting NMs are making the prices of items raise, and then it is hard to get that item if the famrers are constantly there. However, I still don't see an argument to gil selling here. If anything there is an argument to why continuous farming is evil, or at least anoying.

The same scenario could happen with people who are not selling gil, but just want a way to make masses of gil (sound like anyone you know?) for their own personal use. The issue here lies in camping and farming, not gil selling.

Once again, I am asking why the sale of in game gil for rl currency is such an issue with people.

Good luck to you Kurai. Maybe take the whole LS down there and scare off the gil sellers, even if it is just one night lol.

Ok first off, I hate gil sellers but ROFL at them MPK cozma XDXDXDXD No offense, but she/he is a VERY rude and ignorant person. If anyone deserves that it's Cozma.

Secondly, I find it very WTF someone would come on here and ask what's so wrong about gil selling (aside from the obvious answers). I hate to say it, but do you find gil selling not wrong because you yourself or someone you know does it? Just a question.

Read the FFXI main board. There are tons of reason posted in multiple topics covering that question. Said it once, and I'll say it again: If you cant find the time to play this game the way it was meant (without cheating I.E. buying gil in this case) then don't play the game at all. I base the above after the common excuse I hear as people's main reason for buying gil is that they simply do not have enough time to farm etc.

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Though I hate gil selling and everything it's doing to this game... it's hard for me to be mad at Logitech, Hpc and all them. They helped my party out when we got in a bit of trouble with links (healing the PLD and such), but then again, we were only taking crabs. I have seen them get Amemet more than once though, and that's just crap ><

Heh, anyone else notice the Ls's trying to get their paper a week or two ago? I thought that was pretty humerous.

Why gil-selling (and gil-buying) is wrong, on several levels:

(1) Legality. Toonfinder already covered this. When you accept the End User License Agreement (ELUA) of this game, you're agreeing to a contract. Part of that contract stipulates that you don't sell gil. If the end user violates that contract, he or she is committing an illegal action.

(2) Economics. This was also covered by another poster. The repeated camping/farming of a NM creates a situation in which the price of an item is arbitrarily raised above equilibrium, to the benefit of a few producers and the detriment of the consumer. One can see this situation in the current Amemet prices. The Axis of Evil drives the price down, effectively shutting out all other competitors, and then subsequently set an exorbitant price on Amemet skins. Also, the mass farming for pure gil (thankfully less prevalant in FFXI, but still existing) introduces more currency into the market than is going out of circulation (via purchases from vendors, etc.), which causes inflation.

(3) The attitude gil sellers take towards others. The repeated MPK'ing and /help'ing on Amemet by the Axis of Evil is only one example. I've heard stories from both other servers and ours of repeated harassment, bullying, and abusive tactics by various gil sellers. Keep in mind that, if you buy gil, you are not only supporting the practice of gil selling, but also this type of behavior.

(4) Fairness issues. Rampant gil buying creates an atmosphere where the player who spends the most RL currency on a game is essentially "the best" in terms of his/her equipment. This practice disenfranchises legit players, who are forced to do the same or be left in the dust by the gil buyers. Thankfully, the situation has not yet reached this extent, as gil buyers are still in the minority, but if it continues it is but a slippery slope.
Also, there is the issue of whether legit players can compete with gil-buyers who camp certain mobs 24/7. This situation, in effect, creates a catch-22. The legit player cannot compete with the gil-sellers in the game, so the only way they can get the equipment they want is to buy gil from the very same people who shut them out.

I hope that anyone reading this thread who is indifferent to, or even for, gil-selling will change their mind after thinking the matter over. It's clearly wrong, after all.