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In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
You sure you don't want to gbaji that up a bit? Write three pages convincing yourself into believing that it does, style of thing.
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Timelordwho wrote:
I'm not quite sure that scheming is an emotion.
The death of those two police officers definitely doesn't help the situation. The irony in all of it is that the same people who said to "get over it" in reference to the innocent black deaths are all up in arms. Everyone is so defensive that people don't realize that the overall concern is not holding people accountable for their actions. Unfortunately, this coward killed himself, so we weren't able to see the system work.
So it looks more and more like a conspiracy to protect Wilson. The witness 40 has been identified and exposed as a patholigical liar -- and she was a basis for the chaerged cop like a rugby player version. Our friendly prosecutor apparently, I didn't look it up, admitted he knew about it.
It is harder and harder to believe cop's account.
It is harder and harder to believe cop's account.
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angrymnk wrote:
So it looks more and more like a conspiracy to protect Wilson. The witness 40 has been identified and exposed as a patholigical liar -- and she was a basis for the chaerged cop like a rugby player version. Our friendly prosecutor apparently, I didn't look it up, admitted he knew about it.
It is harder and harder to believe cop's account.
It is harder and harder to believe cop's account.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
cynyck wrote:
I feel like I do when I'm in my office with a couple of coworkers and a conversation breaks out between them about the latest episode of some TV show.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
cynyck wrote:
angrymnk wrote:
So it looks more and more like a conspiracy to protect Wilson. The witness 40 has been identified and exposed as a patholigical liar -- and she was a basis for the chaerged cop like a rugby player version. Our friendly prosecutor apparently, I didn't look it up, admitted he knew about it.
It is harder and harder to believe cop's account.
It is harder and harder to believe cop's account.
And ...you don't follow the story...?
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Jar the Sam
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Especially with the movement of the weapon to alter the crime scene in his favor.
Almalieque wrote:
Especially with the movement of the weapon to alter the crime scene in his favor.
Tossing the weapon (taser, if reports are to be believed) back down where the guy fell rather than where it was left behind... it was almost like what you'd see on a comedy show making fun of corrupt police practices.
But, even without the weapon movement, you still have a guy fleeing, and a cop shooting 7-8 times, many moments after the fleeing occurred.
Edit:
Looks like you can't always profit off of being on the "wrong" side of things.
Edited, Apr 8th 2015 9:09pm by TirithRR
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.
In before gbaji rationalizes this shooting, too.
remorajunbao wrote:
One day I'm going to fly to Canada and open the curtains in your office.
TirithRR wrote:
Friar Bijou wrote:
In before gbaji rationalizes this shooting, too.
The good news is the family will get some real money for it. Ca-ching.
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Jar the Sam
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Friar Bijou wrote:
In before gbaji rationalizes this shooting, too.
Hey. I can rationalize anything. If he altered evidence (which appears to be the case), then he's in deep hot water. The actual shooting, depending on circumstances, may not be unjust though. Although, assuming the claim that he never shouted a warning is true, he's in deep hot water on that one too.
In most jurisdictions, police officers can shoot a fleeing suspect if they believe that this is the only way to effect an arrest *and* the person is suspected of committing a violent felony offense. In other words, if you run from the cop, he isn't required to just let you get away if the only other option is shooting you. And yes, struggling with the officer and attempting to grab his gun is a violent felony offense. The problem is that he has to reasonably believe that shooting the subject is the only way to prevent him from escaping. Which probably wasn't the case here. Also, he has to attempt to effect an arrest without shooting the subject, which at a minimum would require saying something like "stop or I will shoot". The man in question was 50, right? So the officer presumably could have chased him down. And if it's true that he never warned the guy that he was going to shoot him if he didn't stop running, that's a massive no-no.
Reporting aside (they tend to slip on the terminology), I'd assume he'll be charged with negligent homicide, and not actual murder. Murder tends to require either premeditation, or an act of anger. Of course, if they can show that he was pissed off at the guy and in some kind of rage when he fired, then maybe he gets murder. Hard to say with the minimal information we have. As always, I'm hesitant to make broad assumptions based on the initial information we have from the media. That always tends to be the most sensational version of events.
But yeah. The video is pretty damning. Unless we're missing something, he's probably cooked.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
But yeah. The video is pretty damning. Unless we're missing something, he's probably cooked.
Just so we are clear, though, SHEER COINCIDENCE it was a black guy he murdered, right?
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gbaji wrote:
Hey. I can rationalize anything.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
gbaji wrote:
I'd assume he'll be charged with negligent homicide, and not actual murder. Murder tends to require either premeditation, or an act of anger. Of course, if they can show that he was ****** off at the guy and in some kind of rage when he fired, then maybe he gets murder.
Also, be careful with malice aforethought (which you refer to as premeditation), because I'm not aware of any time limit needed to establish malice. In other words, he didn't necessarily need to have sat down and planned it. I don't know if he will be charged with negligent homicide because I don't know enough about Criminal Law or Procedure or about South Carolina Law to know if they can charge lesser included offenses, but I certainly see nothing wrong with charging him with murder. The video is enough to support malicious intent, and therefore enough to support charging murder.
"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Hermann Goering, April 1946.
Negligent homicide was what the girl in Texas did when her dad shot her boyfriend. This guy is looking at a minimum of manslaughter.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
Whatever happened to that case in Texas? I assumed nothing happened.
gbaji wrote:
In most jurisdictions, police officers can shoot a fleeing suspect if they believe that this is the only way to effect an arrest *and* the person is suspected of committing a violent felony offense. In other words, if you run from the cop, he isn't required to just let you get away if the only other option is shooting you.
The United States is on my Top 5 list of countries to visit before I die.
I think I'll go there last, just in case...
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Just avoid Texas and Kansas and you should be fine.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
In most jurisdictions, police officers can shoot a fleeing suspect if they believe that this is the only way to effect an arrest *and* the person is suspected of committing a violent felony offense. In other words, if you run from the cop, he isn't required to just let you get away if the only other option is shooting you.
If by 'most' you mean "zero" or by "can" you mean "it's illegal to" then yeah.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=471&invol=1
Edited, Apr 10th 2015 10:39am by Smasharoo
If by 'most' you mean "zero" or by "can" you mean "it's illegal to" then yeah.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=471&invol=1
Edited, Apr 10th 2015 10:39am by Smasharoo
Disclaimer:
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Yeah, "shot while trying to escape" is not really a justification unless you're a member of the SS or a Southern prison guard.
Edited, Apr 10th 2015 8:16am by Samira
Edited, Apr 10th 2015 8:16am by Samira
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Yeah, "shot while trying to escape" is not really a justification unless you're a ****, or a Southern prison guard.
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So, what you're saying is Judge Dredd and Dredd aren't realistic portrayals of the US police force?
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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